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    hikarikenzaki
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    We’re seeing a lot of instances of people repeatedly bringing up questions or requests for things that simply aren’t reasonable at this stage of the game development. Part of this is a problem of the gamer-developer-producer culture that the industry has fostered in recent years. So, since we know we’re better than the average gamers, developers and maybe one day producers, let’s see how we can make this better.

    I’m going to start with a couple considerations, but they’re not meant to be an exhaustive list. Just examples of recent pain points.

    TL:DR: We have a pretty great community with a lot of great ideas that our developers want to hear. Providing them in a productive and respectful way can go a long way to seeing it fully realized.

    Developers: It’s important to remember that while the team is a group of professionals working to create a high caliber product, they are a very small team who does this in their free time. This isn’t a 10, 50 or 500 person studio working for a AAA producer. Respect for their time should always be at the forefront of our requests.

    Alpha Stage: By definition (and reiterated multiple times by the dev team) means it is not feature complete. This means that entire component of the game are missing or need to be redone. New model types are not in game. Hair is being completely redone from scratch. Clothing, for the most part, also does not exist in the next patch yet (almost). Entire game modes are still in development.

    Feedback Requests: When a developer posts something, they are typically looking to showcase something in particular and want feedback on that. So, if a screenshot comes up that says “take a look at these new skins” it’s probably not the time to talk about how you don’t like the hairstyle or what specific outfit you’d like to see in game or why the nipples are censored.

    For one, all these things (hair, outfits and censoring) have been discussed over and over in the discord and it looks a bit lazy when we don’t bother to read about it. Discord has a search function that is quite useful.

    Secondly, by drifting off on tangents about other items, the developer doesn’t get the feedback they needed to improve the game. So, when you come back 2 weeks later asking why the skin is so glossy, that’s why.

    Peeves and Demands: We all have things we’d love to see in the game. And we all have things that turn us off of a game. This is where the #suggestions channel comes into play. The wild wish list items and far off ideas go perfectly in that channel where they can be logged and referred to later. Suggestion is just that. We shouldn’t expect it to be a primary focus at this stage. The developers are looking at core features right now and don’t need us nagging them about bunny suits and dynamic hair.

    For instance, when a developer posts a picture of a new skin, this is a perfect time to ask about ‘what kind of skin tones will be available?’, ‘can we color the fur separately?’ and so on. It’s not the time to ask about a sexy easter bunny suit when we know the game doesn’t have clothes yet.

    Keys, Patches and Stream Time:

    The primary purpose of alpha keys is to test and provide feedback on the game. Sure, everyone would love to get into the game and play. Sure, we’d probably be okay with glitches and problems here. A proper Alpha uses small groups to test key features as they are added to the build. Again, the expectation that an alpha should have 1000s of players is a fault of the industry as it is today.

    Patches in most games these days don’t even have a release date. You can look to larger games like Secret World Legends, Star Trek Online and Black Desert Online who don’t give specific release dates until weeks or even days in advance. This is even more complicated to deliver specific time frames due to the limitations of the developers’ time.

    Stream times of course can’t be made to fit everyone’s schedule for the same reason as well as the need to ensure it has the most impact. As the game gets further along and begins to earn income, it may be possible to have different stream times for regions, but in this case, time is money and they need to concentrate on getting the most bang for their ‘buck’.

    UI Tweaks, Tutorials, Voice Acting and other finishing touches: Simply don’t belong here. As the game gets closer to complete and its first Beta phase, that’s when those items get worked on. Yes, it makes some parts of the game difficult to figure out or use, but that’s why the Alpha group is kept small.

    #10532
    maidengaming
    maidengaming
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    Perfectly stated. Thanks @hikarikenzaki!

    #10533

    ElSindicalista
    Participant

    Perfect. I think it’s an important info.

    #11112

    hikarikenzaki
    Participant

    Since we’re coming up on the next patch February 9th, 8pm EST, let’s revisit this thread to review what is going to be happening and what we’ll need from Alpha Testers.

    League of Maidens 1.3.0a is an alpha build that involves a huge redesign of the UI and character models. Additionally, new game modes have been added as well as major improvements to the core game.

    This means that we will need each Alpha Key Recipient to play the game intensively and actively as much as possible for the first week or two after the patch release. From this gameplay, we’ll need bug reports and feedback to improve the game going forward.

    League of Maidens is an unfinished product in Alpha stages. There will be bugs, crashes and errors. The game will break and may not work perfectly with your system. There may be times when the game is offline for minutes or hours. Potentially days (likely not days).

    If that is the not the experience you are looking for and you would like to wait for a finished game, there will be time to play the game during an upcoming Beta or Release phase.

    Keys: Let’s just get this nasty bit out of the way. Not everyone is going to get a key during this patch. The developers and mods simply don’t have enough time in their day to address bug reports and feedback from 3000+ people. A small sample can be just as effective as a larger one, except when it comes to testing server loads, which we are not doing right now. I know from speaking to the devs at length that your patience is appreciated and they want to get League of Maidens into the hands of everyone as quickly as possible.

    After you get your key and install League of Maidens

    An Alpha Tester’s Guide to When and How to Submit Feedback

    Bugs: So, it’s going to happen. It is happening. It will happen again. You’re going to run into bugs.

    Feels Like The First Time:
    So, this really weird thing happens out of nowhere. Remember it. Maybe take a screenshot, but generally just file it away.

    What to do? Quit the match. Start over. Back out of wherever you are in the UI. Restart the client and Steam as needed.

    Fool me once, shame on you:
    So, this really messed up thing happens again!

    What to do?

      Take screenshots.
      Write down what you were doing leading up to the problem
      Mission Type
      Powers Used
      What you were doing when the bug occurred.
      What, if any, were the specific error and dialogue messages you received from the game or your computer.
      Check the Errata Post and the Bug Forums to see if others are having the same problem.
      Ask in Discord if anyone else is having the same problem.
      Do your homework. Search for the error online to see if it’s related to a hardware, driver or another device issue. This doesn’t mean it’s NOT a game bug. It means it may be related to how the game is interacting with your hardware, firewall, etc.
      If no one is seeing a similar issue, then submit your bug in the #support section in as few posts as possible (maybe composing it in WordPad or Google first) and without tagging a developer or mod. We will read them all, honest.

    Feedback: I like this, but…

    The first priority after this patch will be to address anything that makes the game unplayable, often referred to as ‘Game Breaking’ bugs. However, what you are enjoying and not enjoying (please try to include both) is just as important.

    Most of the time, you can discuss these things in General chat with the community. We have spent the past few years building this game together and a civil discussion around the game’s features is always encouraged. The developers read ALL of this. Literally. They might not read it right that moment (and please don’t ping them), but they do read it.

    If you ultimately find something that needs to be in the game (or removed) and don’t want to get lost in the chatter, please put it in the Suggestions channel. Be detailed. Take your time and explain your idea completely. What you would like to see and why.

    Thank you for being a part of the Maiden Nation!
    Hikari

    #11143

    Redguard153
    Participant

    Nice summary! Explains exactly how to go about helping to identify and fix bugs and other issues. I do hope I can get a key cause I’d love to assist in the bug squashing process!

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